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The 9 Categories of Trainee: Their Mistakes, How to Avoid Them, and What You Can Achieve When You Get Things Right (Pt.1of3)

I have had to decline nearly half of all coaching applicants in the last three and a half years because the expectations on what they thought could be achieved, and my opinion on what would realistically be achieved, simply could not be reconciled.

The reason for this huge disconnect is simple – the exceptional results of the drug-enhanced or genetically elite are promoted as being normal by the industry. We are told that when results don’t pan out to the expectations we were sold on, we just need to buy a new, more specialised training program (and maybe some more equipment), along with, of course, the appropriate supplement stack – because the one that we purchased before wasn’t right for our body type, or biology, or something like that. This process spirals out of control, people eventually get frustrated and give up, and the collective result is that we’ve all pitched in to buy Mike Chang and his friends another Lamborghini.

Unfortunately it seems to me that the effect of the industry’s marketing is so powerful that the majority of people need to go down the hard road and get screwed first, before they are willing to listen to someone with a more realistic outlook.

The goal of this serial guide is to save you from taking that hard road. Using a similar categorisation system that I use when working with clients I will help you identify your current physique condition, and then give practical recommendations on the path I think you should take (cut, bulk, slow-bulk, recomp for example) realistic expectations of what you can achieve, the common mistakes that people make, and what you should be aware of as you progress.

This is potentially going to save you time on your journey to getting the physique that you want. It’s going to get exceptionally detailed, and I sincerely hope that you find it useful.

Where This Guide Comes From

As I work online and do this full time I have been fortunate to have worked with a broad range of clientele over the relatively few years I have been doing this. I have gradually tightened up my area of focus to allow me to get even better at my niche – open-minded male strength trainees, no injuries, 20-55 age range. Of these people, I can usually identify them as being in one of 11 categories. – Now, you might consider that to be quite anal, and you’d be right. However, by being very tight and focused like this, I can get good at predictions for people, and that is what leads to happy customers and a good reputation. While the specifics often vary (everyone is an individual with their own personal challenges), the fundamentals of the action plans and the outcomes within a category usually follow the same general course.

We’re going to use the same method in this article. However, the categories will be less tightly defined, and we will cover a broader range of people, to include beginner trainees (skinny to obese) as well. For each category I’ll give my advice on what direction I think you should go in, and what you are likely to achieve. – Basically, a more generalized version of what I do for coaching applicants.

The Categories That We Will Cover

  1. Stubborn
  2. Fat but muscled
  3. Muscled, few pounds to lose.
  4. Skinny
  5. Shredded (Clear, defined abs.)
  6. Fat & weak
  7. Obese
  8. Skinny-fat
  9. Limbo/Purgatory

Definitions of these will come at the start of each section, some of which will be subjective, as an ‘ideal physique’ will differ from person to person.


Goal Setting Fundamentals

  • Fat can be burned far quicker than muscle is gained. Muscle is denser than fat. Therefore you will measure smaller at the same weight if you have more muscle.
  • The more fat you have to lose, the quicker you can lose it without losing muscle tissue. The less fat you have to lose, the more slowly you need to lose it to preserve muscle tissue. (See the, ‘How much fat can I lose per week?‘ table)
  • People new to serious strength training will experience the most gains in lean body-mass.
  • Gains from strength training, even with excellent programming will become less and less as the years progress. (See the, ‘Muscle growth potential‘ table)
  • Strength gains/losses correlate reasonably well with muscle gains/losses.
  • Maintenance of strength is indicative of muscle mass retention.
  • People generally fail to achieve results, not because they have a bad plan, but often simply because it’s too hard for them to follow through with it.
  • There is no getting around the Nutritional Hierarchy of Importance for Fat Loss and Muscle Growth (picture below) despite what your aunt Betty insists after reading ‘Grain Brain‘ and ‘Wheat Belly‘.

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  • Stress and poor sleeping habits have the potential to mess everything up regardless of what you do. The negative impacts scale with severity.

Why we look at averages, not outliers

What we have here is a bell curve illustrating different genetic potential.

There is no point in setting expectations about what can happen for the exceptionally genetically gifted, or the genetically screwed, cause the chances are that this isn’t you. And, even if you are one of the unfortunate ones, there’s honestly nothing you can do about it except to work that patience/ diligence muscle harder (though I am sure there is a supplement out there claiming to help you override your genetics of course). Some people will have a harder time losing fat than others, some people find it harder to gain muscle than others. You need to get on with creating the best you instead of worrying about everybody else out there.

One important thing to point out though – mindset has a very powerful effect on the body. If you believe that you can’t grow quickly, or get very strong, chances are that you won’t. So believe in yourself and train with the mindset that you are one of the lucky ones, as that will take you further.

I’ll be talking about average rates of progress, for the person that follows the advice on this site ‘to a T’ instead of tweaking things. I’m not going to talk about the best possible outcomes I have seen, nor what can be achieved if unsustainable strategies are used.

Bell Curve illustrating different genetic potential

Identify Where You Are Now – Get On The Right Track – Then Go Crush It

Acknowledging your current physical condition is the only way to set up realistic expectations and build towards your long-term goals. Be honest with yourself when reading below. Everyone reading this, no matter what their body shape or size, is seeking improvement. Aside from this first classification (stubborn), I don’t see any particular category as negative and neither should you. On the contrary, correctly identifying where you are now and setting your plans accordingly is going to save you time in reaching your end goals.

Some people are going to be a mix of a couple of different categories, just do your best to read between the lines. I’ll explain the categories in roughly the order that I consider least to most complicated.

Category 1. Stubborn

‘Stubborn’ isn’t a reference to body-fat type, but to mental attitude. These people are unhappy with their lack of progress, but refuse to change their diet or training method(s) because they are stuck in some form of dogma. Until their frustration overwhelms their stubbornness these people can’t be helped.

A subcategory of these folks are those that hold (fairly) firmly onto the belief that one style of dieting or training is suitable for all goals at all times. Three examples:

• The person that insists on low-carbing, at all times, despite their struggles in a lean-mass gaining phase.

• The guy that insists on keeping 5 crossfit WODs in their weekly training plan while attempting to diet. This is ostensibly in an attempt to keep up their metabolic conditioning because… that’s what their favourite MMA fighter – with their entire team of experts around them and their job on the line – manages to do. You don’t want to do this. This completely knackers your recovery capacity when it’s in short supply, ramping up physiological stress, and it’s going to set you up for failure or injury. (There’s a great article called ‘Muscle Math’ covering this principle by Greg Nuckols here)

• People that are bulking and have started to push the boundaries of what they can physically, comfortably eat, despite moving to more calorie dense food choices that fit their macros, but remain adamant that they must eat within an 8 hour window instead of extending it. (These tend to be high NEAT responders, aka. ‘hard-gainers’)

This subcategory of folks are sometimes saveable with a little nudge in the right direction. But as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. Sometimes people just need to fail multiple times before changing their ways. That can be an essential part of the learning process, and trying to push people into something will just fray your friendships.

If you think you might be in this stubborn category, if what you’re doing isn’t working, open your mind to changing it. Don’t try and force a “one size fits all” on yourself. Be sensible. Dieting isn’t easy and neither is gaining muscle. At the minimum, stack the deck in your favour.

Category 2. Fat, but muscled

Strategy: Cut

These guys are among the easiest and most satisfying clients to work with. The hard work is done, as they already have a muscular base, it’s just a case of helping them to reveal it. Often it’s these guys that have never been shredded before and never believed they could be, and making this a reality for them is a great feeling. 12 weeks is rarely enough to get them down to shreds, but they often come back to me a few months after our work together with an e-mail and huge grin in the photos saying thank you.

If this is you, then shoot for the fat loss recommendations below based on your body fat percentage. I typically recommend 1-1.25lbs a week of fat loss, as higher than that tends to push the boundaries of what is sustainable in terms of adherence. Ideally I want you to feel almost like you’re not dieting for the longest time possible.

Body fat %Maximum recommended fat loss /week
20-30%~2 lbs / 0.9kg
15-20%1.25-1.5 lbs / 0.45-0.7kg

If you haven’t been dieting up until this start point, then there are likely to be some initial water and muscle glycogen losses due to the decreased carb intake. That will send your weight tumbling quickly in the first 7-10 days, which would have messed with your head, but now you’re prepared for it. You’re going to need to look for the average rate of weight loss over the weeks following the first week. Basically, throw out that first week of data.

Given that you’re an experienced trainee you are unlikely to make any significant muscle gains during the cut, so you can gauge progress by scale weight. I’d recommend that you still take body measurements because there may be some weeks where you don’t get changes in weight, but the stomach measurements change. A curious phenomenon but common. Some weeks you’ll lose more weight than others then, but it’s that 1-1.25lbs per week that you should shoot for.

You’ll need to reduce your training volume as your recovery capacity will be hampered due to being in a calorie deficit. Mentally that might be tough, as you’re clearly keen on training, and there still persists the bro-myth that when cutting you should increase training volume and intensity, but 3 days a week will suffice. Focus on the main compound movements and work to maintain your strength. Accessory exercises can and should be restricted more heavily than the compound exercises. This will be enough to preserve muscle mass.

In the case of some very experienced strength trainees, there will likely be a loss of strength in their top sets. This is due to the mechanical disadvantage of being leaner (which these guys likely know about anyway), and though it depends on limb-torso length ratios, a decrease of up to 10% is not unusual for the larger guys. This is not to be confused with muscle loss.

You’ll need to buy yourself a new wardrobe, so be prepared for that expense.

Client Examples

Note that John started off at a much higher level of body fat than Peter and Theis above, hence the longer time frame. Technically he was obese, but he had a good amount of muscle mass so I put him in this section.

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Category 3. Muscled, a few pounds to lose

Strategy: Cut

These guys have many similarities to the ‘fat, but muscled’, category two folks. Though due to being leaner they often take it to shreds (or very close) in our 12-week time frame. Some of these people are as lean as they have ever been and simply haven’t been able to take it further, others have been shredded before but want to do it in an easier and more sustainable fashion.

Technically there is nothing more difficult here than with those carrying more fat, though there are certain things to be aware of. For those that are struggling to get leaner, first I offer you two questions:

  1. Are you counting your calories and macros, or have you gotten to where you are now without doing so? – It may be time to start, so that you remove the guesswork from things. This will be a pain in the arse for about three weeks, but after that you’ll find it a lot easier. (Refer to my guide, “How To Count Macros“)
  2. Have you had any diet breaks? If not then you should consider one. See here for my diet break guidelines. You’ll often find afterwards you will feel refreshed mentally, any food cravings you’ve been having are gone, and metabolically it’s beneficial for setting you up to shoot for this next level of leanness. Just note that you’ll have a large rise in body weight when you start the diet break due to the increase in carb intake (and saltier foods in likelihood) and thus water balance and glycogen stores. There is no need to panic. It will come off rapidly again when you resume the diet.

I generally recommend 0.75-1.25lbs a week as a targeted fat loss rate for these folks, the lower end of the range as they get leaner.

Body fat %Loss /week
12-15%1-1.25 lbs / 0.45-0.6kg
9-12%0.75-1 lbs / 0.35-0.45kg
7-9%0.5-0.75 lbs / 0.2-0.35kg
<7%~0.5lbs / 0.2kg

Body measurements become increasingly important as you get leaner, as the mirror will mess with your head. There are two main reasons for this. Firstly, with the cyclical nature of the diet you’ll likely see yourself looking leaner on some days than others which can send some folks into a panic if they are not prepared for it. Secondly, as you start to get to 10% and under the fat will often come from places that you can’t easily see, like the lower back and thighs. Assuming you’ve been using my recommended 9 points of measurement, you’ll notice that you start to see more changes on the lower stomach measurements than at the navel and above.

Diet breaks should be more frequent the leaner you get, every 6-8 weeks or so.

Assuming you aren’t stressed at home or work, and are sleeping well, fat loss should be fairly linear down to shreds. The difficulty is simply in tracking it, so I highly recommend taking your weight as an average of each day for the week, as well as using the tape measure. Patience and consistency is all that is required.

As with the ‘fat, but muscled’ category, you will likely need to reduce training volume. Again, three days a week should be plenty for muscle mass retention.

Client Examples

12 Weeks

Competitors

For Phil (second from bottom) note how slowly it is necessary to cut at this point of leanness in order to maintain muscle mass. The changes were subtle, but these are the differences in levels of conditioning that judges look for. The bigger story here was his switching from 6 meals a day, training 6 days a week to 3 days training, two meals.

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There was a long time in my life when I was stuck spinning my wheels – I wasn’t making any progress and I just couldn’t see it. Or maybe I just couldn’t admit it. It took very honest comments wake me up so that reality. Waking up to reality and knowing had to get yourself out of that situation a two very different things though. In the next part, I’ll explain exactly how I got myself out of the skinny trap and you can too.

Thank you for reading. Questions welcomed in the comments.

Physigue Goal Setting | Part 2In Part 2:

  • Why You Are Still Skinny, What You Need to Change, and What Pitfalls You Need to Avoid.
  • How to Slow-Bulk – Avoiding the Dream-Bulk Trap

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Carlos Vanegas
Carlos Vanegas

Hi Andy,
I’ve been lifting weights for 2 years, I’m 39 yo, 5’11” and just completed a cut that took me from 180 lbs 20% to 155 lbs 15%. I may have gone a little too aggressive on the diet and based on the weight loss rate of the last 3 weeks (2.2 lbs/week) I think I was loosing muscle mass and decided to move to maintenance (diet break) for 2 weeks. I want to move into the “Slow Bulk & Cut” cycling program, and that led me to this article. Based on this article I think I fall on the “Cat 3. Muscled, a few pounds to lose”. So I’m convinced that I need to keep cutting before moving to the bulking phase. My question is, what should be my %BF goal before moving to the Slow Bulk phase of the cycle? My overall objective is to achieve “Scott’s physique” within 12 months and then maintain it.

Carlos Vanegas
Carlos Vanegas

Hi Andy,
Thanks for your response
I think the muscle loss is real. Not sure about how much but before-after pictures suggest some muscle loss. I was not taking body measurements yet.
I was little surprised by your sugestión to bulk all the way back to 20%. If I do so, wouldn’t that be moving all way back to where I started? At that point it may take 5+ months weeks to get down to 10%.

Carlos Vanegas
Carlos Vanegas

Thanks Andy
I will go in bulk mode got a few weeks (4-6) and see how muscle re-gains vs fat progresses and evaluate now that, thanks to you, I know how to track progress much better.
Do you have any specific recommendation in regards to the training for muscle re-gain? (Rep range, or else)

Doug Edwards
Doug Edwards

Thank you for the reply! I’ll check that out.

Doug Edwards
Doug Edwards

Andy,
Thank you for all the great info. You’ve helped me tremendously.

Would you change any aspect based on age? I’m 54 and the chart for calipers indicates that I have a higher body fat at the same measure for someone younger. I’m currently at an estimated 14%. I understand that I need to cut to have a better ratio when building. At my age, should I push through to 12% or lower?

Are there any adjustments of other aspects due to age?

Thanks!
Doug

David
David

Hey Andy,

Love the guides, been eating it up. Trying to get as much info as I can. I’ve been on a 2k cal/day cut for a while now, and haven’t been seeing progress. All your calculators and others have suggested that perhaps I should be eating a bit more on average per day (2300 or so). Can you talk to the science behind how eating more could potentially improve my physique?

Jaci
Jaci

Hey Andy,

First of all thank you for your work and the free guide i really love it, I did dowonload your excel calculation and i was impressed. I found a small mistake which can lead long term to a bad result, maybe you can fix it, it wont take long. You did the calculation for the carbs Protein and fat with 4,4,9 in reall it is 4.1 4.1 and 9.3 in my case it leads me to 100 Calories more per day in a month thats close to 500 Gramm fat more. For people with a biger Calorie intake it can lead to 200-250 Calories more a day.

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michael
michael

Great thanks for the reply I think ill take the diet break as I have meticulously counted calories for 4 years staright. Ill move slowwly into a bulk after this. Thank you!!

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Michael
Michael

Hey man lovin all these articles sorry to bump an old thread.

I did my first Men’s Physique shows last year and really nailed my condition but was too small, I was 155-160lbs on stage at 5’11.5 so definitely need to grow. I was forced to take some time off due to a surgery I had to do, I am 100% recovered now and been cutting for about 8 weeks now. I am 170lbs as of now but feel like I have crushed my metabolism and still not shredded again.

I got impatient and macros have been 1800 calories training days <100 g of carbs <50g of fat and 245 protein 60min hard weight training and 20 min liss 3 of the 5 days. And rest days twice a week are 50g og of fat, same protein and 0 carbs with 40 min of fasted LISS. Saturdays are a high carbs refeed/cheat meal uncounted.

My simple question is how lean should I be before going into slow bulk or recomp. I am probably 9-10% now, fully visibible abs but holding water so not as shredded as your " shredded pics" or should I take a diet break and cut down to shredded?

I am known for overdoing exercises and deficits and making cortisol a problem

Michael
Michael

Hey thanks for the quick reply. One last question should I do a diet break between this aggresive cut and a sloww bulk.
I just feel that going into a slow gain phase with a tanked metabolism wouldn’t give me the best results.

Thanks very much for your time and this site!!

Patrick Greene
Patrick Greene

Hey Andy, im in category 2 could you give me 3 quick thing to add and three things to subtract from my diet?

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JAA
JAA

Hi Andy,

Thank you for the great information! I’m currently on the 5th week into my cut and am divided regarding the carbs portion of my daily macros. I fit into the muscled, but few pounds to lose category. I was a college football/baseball player and have always been strong & muscled, but have never been sub 10% BF, which is my current goal. My current diet is about as clean as one could get, 6 meals a day with all 3 MACROS hit per meal. The first 4 weeks into the cut, I cut back my starchy complex carbs considerably and relied strictly on fruits and vegetables for carbs (except real oats w/breakfast). However, I’ve recently incorporated more brown rice and starchy carbs back into my diet as my workout sessions just suffered immensely last week and I’ve definitely lost strength even though I’ve kept my protein at 1-1.5 g/bw. I am very motivated and disciplined, but my question is am I on the right path with increasing the starchy carbs? I do feel better and my workout yesterday was very much improved with the higher carb intake. When I say higher carbs, I mean a cup of brown rice added to my dinner and maybe another ½ cup with lunch? I’m currently doing the 3 day split with 2-3 HIIT cardio sessions/week. I’m 5’9 ½” and around 172lbs (started at 185 before cut). I’m also in this for the long haul as I would like to ideally stay relatively lean throughout the year. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you

Jonny A.

JAA
JAA

Thanks for responding. I apologize if I wasn’t very clear…it was the other way around. I reduced starchy carbs from the beginning and decided to add them back in and have felt better with my training. Thank you for the link. I’ve currently decided to increase my starchy carbs on weight training days and reduce on off/cardio days and see how my body responds. I will reassess in two more weeks. Going to stay patient and stay the course. Please let me know if you think the carb cycling is counterproductive. Thanks again Andy. I appreciate it!

Jonny A.

Danny
Danny

Hi Andy,

Just wondering, I sort of fall in the 3rd category (~17% bf) you discussed according to a comparison of your clients’ images. I noticed your recommended weight loss per week and if I was looking to retain as much muscle mass as possible, may I ask what sort of LG deficit/surplus ratio you would generally suggest? I was thinking of something like -30/+10 (rest/workout), however do you think this would be relatively inefficient?

To be honest, I am just wanting to get down to ~12% bf so that I can get back into slow bulking. Any advice/suggestions would be great as there is a profound base of information and I am really looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

Thank you.

Danny
Danny

Thanks Andy.

Another concern I had is is it ok to move around the eating frame? i.e. Can I frequently move between a 12-8 and 1-9 eating frame? Or does this reduce the effectiveness of LG and in fact, is not doing LG properly?

Danny
Danny

Thanks for that Andy.

I have not found a solid answer to whether I can workout 4 times a week (instead of 3)? Would this not be advocated for under leangains as it impedes on the recovery time (and consequently also, misses one calorie deficit day)? Am I not going to see the same results in doing so, or have you ever had any clients been successful with a similar schedule?

So far I am 1 week in, however I am not entirely sure if I am being effective with my time by working out 4 times a week instead of 3. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you Andy.

jbroyer
jbroyer

Hi Andy,

Great site! Found you from Leangains,com. The 16/8 IF protocol seems to fit my lifestyle and my need to keep things as simple as possible, also why I am in the middle of Dan John’s 40 day workout, just so I can get in the gym everyday and get work done.

Anyway 3 years ago I was in crossfit for a while and had decent but not great strength numbers I was 5’11 204 with a 420# Dl and a 335# back squat, could ring muscle-up for reps and do 12 consecutive pull ups. I meet a girl , went broke, stop going to crossfit, ate like a 13 year old and now 3 years later I am engaged to that same girl but am weighing in at 245# and 26% BF (based on tape measure and calculator) I just turned 30 years old.

>>>When I started the 40 day program about 2 1/2-3 weeks ago I weighed in at 250#, so just eating clean and going to the gym I am down 5# but have been stuck at exactly 245.6# for 10 days! No fluctuation at all??? Is this a bad scale or is it possible while in deficit to no go up or down even by a tenth or a pound for 10 days?? – Should I not worry about this and give the IF a couple weeks before I start thinking my scale is bad??? Could this be a water retention thing <<<

I am only on day 2 of the 16/8 IF and after all the equations it says I should eat 2500cals for 2lb/week loss?? Does that sound right?

At 205# I was at an athletic peak but still not as lean as I could have been, I think for my body type 185# would reveal the 6 pack and get me lean and mean.

Thanks for any guidance you can give me, love the site, I think I found a simple plan I can easily follow and get results, just wondering about your thoughts on the scale weight and my calorie count?

Thanks again,

-Jay

jbroyer
jbroyer

Thank you for taking the time Andy I really appreciate it! I was thinking it was something like that but really needed to hear it from someone who knows what they are talking about. I will stay focused and dial in my macros even more and just stick with it.

I bought one of those tapes at GNC so I will make sure to use that every couple of weeks to see where I am at. Even though the scale hasn’t shown much progress the way I feel has changed dramatically in these past couple weeks. Just eliminating all the junk I ate on a daily basis has done so much for my energy.

Thank you again I will probably be reading your whole site 3x just to soak it all in.

Enjoy your break btw!

-Jay

Samson
Samson

I’m at 132lbs, 17 years, 5ft7. Went from 176lbs to 132 (slow-bulked then cut) in a year. Currently at 12-13%bf, slightly toned, but still with some fat around the low abs and chest area. Should I continue my cut by dropping my daily calories or have a recomp then cut again ? Thanks.

raine
raine

Audio versions are a great idea. Consider publishing them as podcasts so that you could easily listen to them using podcast apps with mobile.

Chris
Chris

Andy,

Discovered your site about 6 weeks ago and has been a real eye opener for me. I’ve suffered through years of f-arounditis, so I thank your for your site and info. I have 2 questions.

1) Right now I’m doing a slow bulk with even calories and carbs per day. When I go into my cut, I’m going to integrate carb portioning. I train early morning fasted and I fear coming off a low carb day Ill have no gas in the tank for my workouts. How long does your body store all those carbs from your high carb day?

2) Due to years of ignoring squats and deadlifts I have been left with very disportionate lifts. I bench 260 and squat 260 at 190lbs bodyweight 6′ 1″ tall.It’s been a grind (4 months) just to get my squats to that point. A lot of retooling of form. When I go to do my first cut will the lack of squat power show in my upper body or will I just be dealing with bird legs until I get that squat up?

Thanks again for the great site!

Chris

Chris
Chris

Thanks for the clarification!

Chris

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