What follows are the exact initial guidelines on training progression that I give to clients. They are an abbreviated version of the guidelines in The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid book that I co-authored with Eric Helms and Andrea Valdez.
They are exceptionally logical and structured, the antithesis to the approach of just hitting the gym, smashing some weights and hoping for progress. They will stop you from wrecking your joints when starting out by increasing the weight you lift too quickly, and they will help prevent you from stalling for months on end, often without you realizing it. If you put the effort to read, understand and implement these instructions they are going to pay off for you big time. I will be waiting in Tokyo for you to buy me an overpriced craft beer as a thank you. 😉
Novice Progression: For Use When You Are Able to Make Load Increases Session to Session
The following progression rules work well for exercises you are able to make incremental progressions in weight session to session with. This is what defines the “novice progression” category. This is not about how long you have been lifting, or how much you can lift. My friend Greg Nuckols took his deadlift and squat to over 500 lbs before he needed to use some form of non-linear progression (periodization) as you will when you get to the “intermediate progression” rules, and yet no-one would look at those lifting stats and call him a novice. Admittedly, he is a genetic freak and was born to lift, but the point is that I want you to separate your ego from the name of each of the progression rules. Do not skip this section just because it is titled novice progression.
Novice progression is faster than intermediate progression, so use these rules while you can.
You will progress more quickly with some exercises than others. You may have more experience with some exercises already than others. You may have taken some time off from performing an exercise which means you would benefit from changing your progression style from “intermediate” to the novice style temporarily. Therefore, for some exercises in your program you may use novice progression rules, but for others, you may need to use intermediate progression rules.
How to Choose the Weight You Lift Initially
If you are new to a lift or returning to a lift after some time off, on the first workout just choose a weight where you feel comfortable performing all the sets and reps listed, with that same weight. You don’t want to be pushing to a maximum here because you will be learning (or relearning) the movement.
If you see, Squat 2×8, listed in your program for example, then choose a weight you feel comfortable performing 8 reps for, for two sets.
Sometimes you may see exercise listed like this, Squat 2×8 (~70% 1RM). This means perform 2 sets of 8 reps, using a weight that is approximately equivalent to 70% of your one rep maximum (1RM) for the first workout. Now, it’s important to note that this is just a guideline to help you choose a weight. If you are new to an exercise you will just have to guess at the initial weight you use because you won’t know your 1RM, and it doesn’t make any sense to test for it at this stage because you will get better quickly with practice.
For those that have experience with a lift but don’t know their 1RM, it’s possible to use a 1RM calculator. Just plug in the number of reps and the weight you can lift it for and it will tell you your estimated 1RM. You can then take a percentage of that number to set the weight you will lift with.
For example, if you know the maximum you can squat for a single set of 5 reps is 200 (5RM), and your program lists, Squat 2×8 (~70% 1RM) on the one day, and Squat 3×4 (~85% 1RM), on the other, you have two options for choosing a starting weight:
- Guess how much you can lift for 2 sets of 8 reps, and 3 sets of 4 reps. Your guess might be 150 lbs on the first day and 180 lbs on the other day.
- Plug those numbers into my beautiful 1RM calculator and find that your estimated 1RM, then just calculate 70% and 85% of that respectively. Using the calculator for a 5RM of 200 lbs gives us an estimated 1RM of 225 lbs, so from that you can get your starting weight for the first day of 157.5 lbs (225*0.7) and second day ~190 lbs (225*0.85).
Either option is fine, the calculation method is just an estimation anyway and you are only doing this for the first workout.
How to Progress After the First Session
After the first session just add weight in steady increments each time. For the heavy full and lower body compound movements (e.g., squats and deadlifts) I’d suggest you increase 10 lbs each session initially, assuming you can do so with good form. For other exercises that work less overall musculature, (e.g., the bench press, overhead presses, rows and any isolation exercises) you’ll want to progress in 5 lb or 2.5 lb increments.
There will be a point where your progress slows down and it is not possible to make increases session to session. If you have micro plates (1 lb, 0.5 lb) you can use those to keep increasing the weight each session. If you don’t have access to these (as with most gyms) just increase the weight every other session, focusing on the feeling of it being easier in that second session. Meaning, use the same weight, sets, and reps, but there will be a lower rating of perceived exertion (RPE). More on RPE later.
Here is an example of how someone would progress with this system. I’ve chosen 5×5 just to keep the numbers simple.
This is just an example, and obviously, you will want to adjust according to how you progress, but pay attention to the following points:
- The load is increased linearly using the same rep range. This is called “single progression” (of load). Note that by increasing the load, the volume is also increased.
- When the target repetitions cannot be completed, the load is maintained for the next session, and the repetition targets are attempted again.
- Reduce the load by 10% if you fail to achieve your target reps in two consecutive workouts. The next workout, return to the weight you were unable to complete the target repetitions with and you will more than likely succeed. This is a very simple method of “deloading.” This is a strategy that allows built-up fatigue from weeks of training to dissipate, which in turn lets us continue progressing. There is no need to set this at specific time intervals for novice progression, but it will become necessary for intermediate progression.
If your progress starts to stall after implementing the deload as described above without a return to progress afterwards (assuming sleep, nutrition etc. are in check), it will be time to consider changing your progression pattern to that of an intermediate trainee which I’ve covered below.
Using RPE Based on Repetitions in Reserve
You’ll see that I have numbers and “RPE” noted next to the exercises in your training plan.
RPE is a useful method of measuring intensity when lifting called Reps In Reserve (RIR) based on Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE). This was popularized and developed by powerlifting coach Michael Tuchscherer and has been researched by Dr. Mike Zourdos and my co-author on The Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid, Eric Helms.
RPE when using this scale is based on how close to failure you get at the conclusion of each set. You simply do your sets and choose how close to failure you wish to get. A 10 RPE would be at failure (or rather, no additional load or reps could have been performed), a 9 RPE would be one rep left, an 8RPE would be two. Have a look at the table:
Sometimes we may use an RPE target to prescribe load on its own (e.g. Seated Cable Rows 3×5 @8-9 RPE), or used in combination with a %1RM (e.g. Squat 3×8 @6-7 RPE, 67.5-72.5% 1RM). This is useful because sometimes when you are in a fatigued state, you may under perform, and by doing this I am able to tell you how much stress you should be experiencing, versus what is being prescribed.
For example, let’s say your performance was slightly suppressed due to residual fatigue, but you had 5 reps at 85% of 1RM programmed. Feeling great, you might finish this set with 1 RIR (a 9 RPE). However, in a fatigued state, this might end up being to failure or you might even miss the final rep. To avoid this, I’ll prescribe not only a percentage of 1RM target but also an RPE rating so that you can adjust the load as needed to match the intended stress.
So, if one day you have Squat 3×8 @6-7 RPE (67.5-72.5% 1RM) programmed for example, but the weight feels heavier than usual today, and though you can get your target of 8 reps, you feel that you could only have performed one more rep (which would be an RPE of 9, not 6-7), then you’ll reduce the weight you lift for the next set to around the level where you will hit your RPE target. You’ll then finish any subsequent sets using that weight.
Note: Subsequent sets will be more difficult as you fatigue so use the lower end of the RPE rating for the first set. Also, bear in mind that on some days the latter sets can be disproportionately hard, and for that reason, we don’t want to go more than 2 RPE points higher than the starting setting. So, if your initial RPE setting is 7, then don’t perform any sets over an RPE of 9. If you do then stop your set, and if you have another set to perform, choose a lower weight so that you can hit the target number of reps.
This system works best when you have training experience with a lift. So for any exercises in your plan that are new to you, just bear in mind that you will get better at using this system over time with them.
[For a fuller explanation of RPE and how to implement it in your training programs check out this free email course Eric Helms and I put together.]
On Training to Failure
As it is related to RPE, I’ll include some notes here on training to failure.
Training to failure is something I was a fan of for years, but have moved further and further away from as I’ve gained more experience as a coach.
“Failure” has two common meanings:
- Where there is a breakdown in form during a rep but maybe an additional repetition could be performed with poor form (“form failure”), and
- Where the weight can no longer be physically moved (“mechanical failure”).
In general, we don’t want to perform the big, multi-joint compound lifts to mechanical failure (squat variations, deadlift, overhead press, etc.) as the risk of injury when form breaks down is too high. Even performing these lifts to form failure on a regular basis is a bad idea for the same reasons and because the systemic fatigue generated is also very high (which can limit your ability to perform for the rest of the session). That said, it is much safer to train to failure with isolation exercises that don’t require full body efforts such as bicep curls, leg extensions, or even some machine compound movements like rows, pulldowns or perhaps the leg press.
You may be thinking at this point, “Why would I ever not want to go to failure? Doesn’t failure increase the amount of muscle activation I get and ensure that I have trained the fiber completely?” Those things are true for the most part, however, that’s looking at each exercise in isolation, rather than the big picture.
If you were to do 3 sets of bench with your 5 RM load, and on your first set you maxed out and went to failure, you would probably drop down to 3 and then possibly 2 reps on your next two sets depending on your rest interval. This will be 10 reps total. However, if you were to stop and just do 4 reps on the first set, you may be able to maintain 4 reps for all 3 sets. This will be 12 reps total.
In this way, it’s easy to see that we can hurt the amount of volume that we can do by going to failure too frequently. Thinking even bigger picture, going past just the single exercise, and thinking about subsequent training sessions, there are further negative implications of training to failure all the time.
As volume is a key driver of training progress, and training to failure can hurt the amount of volume we can perform, I do not want you to go to failure with any sets unless instructed.
Intermediate Progression – When You Are No Longer Able to Make Load Increases Session to Session
We have two different sets of progression rules which I’ve split into the categories, “compound movements” and “isolation movements.” We will now have a deload every 4th week for both.
Deloads
With novice progression, a simple 10% reduction in weight was all that was necessary to deload, and you did this whenever additional weight could not be added. Managing fatigue is a little more complex however for the intermediate trainee (which is probably best defined as someone who needs to use intermediate progression techniques for the majority of their lifts).
You will have lift-specific, periodical deloads built into the progression pattern every four weeks. This allows residual fatigue dissipate before it can build to a point where it hampers performance and prevents you from progressing with the workout plan as intended. It will also reduce the risk of injury by allowing your connective tissues to recover. You must resist the temptation to not deload.
Occasionally, we will have a full deload week where I will instruct you to reduce volume (and sometimes intensity) for all exercises. I will typically do this at times where life or work stresses are high and I feel you could use a break. I may also suggest one when progress just seem a little off with expectation and I think you could benefit from one. For exercises with 2-3 sets, I want you to reduce the set number by one. For exercises with 4+ sets, reduce the set number by two. If I want you to reduce the intensity also I will give a percentage I wish you to reduce the loads lifted by, typically, 10%.
Intermediate Progression Rules for Compound Movements – “Linear Periodization”
Let’s say that you have Bench Press 3×6-8, 70-75% 1RM listed in your training program.
- Choose a weight where you can complete 3 sets of 8, without needing a spot and rarely hitting failure on the last set (RPE no higher than 9.5 on last set and typically lower). If you unsure of what weight that might be, use the percentage of 1RM listed to guide you. So, if you can lift 200 lbs, choose 70% of that to start with, so 140 lbs.
- For each successive workout, increase the load by 5 lbs and reduce the number of reps for each set by one.
- The 4th workout is a deload day where you intentionally reduce both the load and reps.
- On the 5th workout, get back to 3×8 and increase the load to slightly more than what you used the prior time you used 8 repetitions.
Here is how that looks in a table:
You can see that load, reps and volume will fluctuate workout to workout, but the load being used will increase every four weeks. This is called “linear periodization,” meaning that intensity goes up as volume goes down. It is a wave loading intermediate progression because the volume increases every fourth week.
For the 3-5, 4-6, 5-7, and 6-8 rep ranges, drop the rep target by 1 rep each week with only a 5-10 lb (2.5-5 kg) increase in load week to week.
For the higher rep ranges of 8-12, reduce the rep target by 2 rather than 1 each week. So for example, if you see Incline Press 3×8-12 listed you would do a week of 12’s, then 10’s, and then 8’s, while increasing the load 5-10 lbs each week. (In most cases I’d recommend 5 lbs.)
Intermediate Progression Rules for Isolation Movements – “Double Progression”
For isolation exercises, it is not realistic to increase load as quickly. Imagine trying to add 5 lbs to your dumbbell bicep curl every fifth week – it is simply an unrealistic amount of progress. That would be an increase 10 times every year, requiring an addition of 50 lbs (~22 kg) to your bicep curl each year when most people can’t even dumbbell curl 50 lbs for one rep strict. Think about it in relative terms. If your max squat is 355 lbs (~160 kg), a 5 lb increase is an increase of about 1.5%. if your max dumbbell curl is 50 lbs a 5 lb increase is an increase of 10%. So that same 5 lb increase is over six times more of an increase for a curl than a squat. Therefore, we need another approach for isolation exercises.
The approach that I’d suggest we use is to add reps week by week, instead of increasing load. This is almost a reverse linear approach, where we are adding volume before increasing intensity, rather than adding intensity while decreasing volume. This is called double progression – we don’t progress the second variable until we progress the first; we don’t progress load before we progress repetitions.
Let’s say that you have Bicep Curl 3×12-15 @7-8 RPE listed in your training program.
- Choose a load where you feel you can get pretty close to 15 reps for 3 sets (but not quite). (Note that we won’t set load based on a percentage of 1RM for isolation movements as it doesn’t work very well.)
- Add reps each week, trying to get to the goal of 3×15. Take as many sessions as you need to achieve this. Avoid hitting failure until the last set, or you’ll sabotage your next sets.
- Take the 4th week as a light week (a deload week). Regardless of what happens in the week prior to the deload, in the deload week go to the bottom of the rep range and just do two sets (12, 12).
- After the deload you will hopefully come back, find yourself recovered and improve performance (in the example we get 15, 15, 14). Then in the next week, we get 15, 15, 15.
- Thus in the next session, we increase the load, once again working back towards 3×15.
This is an example of how you as an intermediate trainee can still make pretty visible linear progress on a more or less week to week basis. (As a side note, if adding reps is too difficult in a narrow rep range such as 8-12 or 12-15, you can widen the rep range to allow slower progression, i.e., 8-15.)
Progression FAQ
Which progression system should I choose for exercise [X]?
The line between “compound movement” and “isolation movement” can be a little blurry. Furthermore, for some exercises that are technically compound movements, the isolation movement progression rules can be better suited as they will allow you to progress between the jumps in weight.
The dumbbell overhead press is one such exercise that immediately comes to mind for example. You may be able to progress using the compound movement progression rules for only a short while before the jump to the next set of dumbbells (which is usually in 5lb increments) becomes too great. At this point, you want to move to using the isolation progression rules.
In terms of progression speed: Linear progression > linear periodization > double progression > advanced periodization techniques.
For all exercises, choose the one furthest to the left of the continuum that you can actually progress with. This is the way you’ll progress fastest. When you can’t do the one, you move onto the next.
Are you suggesting I do the novice progression or some lifts and the intermediate progression for other lifts?
Yes. Whatever lift you can do novice progression for, do so, as you’ll progress fastest.
What should I do if after wave loading I can’t make the weight increase?
I’d assume it’s just a bad workout in that case and continue with the progression next week.
Also, consider checking out these two articles:
What about advanced progression?
This is for people who have gained 80–90% of their genetic potential in terms strength and/or hypertrophy and are seeking to get the remaining 10–20%. This can get complicated and beyond the scope of this article. If you enjoyed this though, I think you’ll get a lot out of the book.
If you have found this helpful, you might be pleased to know it is just a small section taken from our Muscle and Strength Training Pyramid book. The second edition, along with the Nutrition companion book, was released this January 3rd, 2019.
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Hi Andy,
I’m an intermediate lifter in that I can’t add weight workout to workout. I am not able to do the suggested intermediate powerlifting routine as I can’ t workout 4 days a week. Can I take the same exercises and do 5 sets of 5, using the progression you suggest for beginners (adding reps until I can complete 5 sets of 5) Alternatively, can I do the progressive wave loading, doing 4 or even 5 sets instead of just 3?
Thank you
Hi David. Yes to both.
Ultimately, the proof of any pudding is in the eating. (Try it and see.)
You’ll find our guide to building programs here which will cover how to build your own 3-day powerlifting program.
Hi Andy,
Could you apply the intermediate progression suggestions for the novice program rather than adding weight each week? Say if an exercise has 5 reps, could I tailor that by aiming to get 6 or 7 reps? Or increase weight but instead of trying to grind for the target rep?
Hi Pat. Yes, absolutely, though I usually get people to do as follows:
If an exercise has anywhere between 3–8 reps programmed, make the rep range one either side. If higher, make the range two either side. So, for example:
• Squat Variant 3*5 » 3*4–6
• Single-Leg Variant 3*8 » 3*7–9
• Leg Extension 3*12 » 3*10–14
(These examples are exercises from the Novice Bodybuilding Program but they apply to all.)
Answers my question perfectly!
Thanks a lot Andy, I’ll look to apply that once the weight increase weekly begins to stall
Most welcome, Pat.
Hey Andy,
I’ve been running an upper/lower routine using double progression (for everything) for a while now, yet I continue to frequently stall. I wonder if I need to look into more advanced techniques. Where can I find those?
On the other hand, I rarely deload. I’m going to get better about it, shooting for a 50% volume reduction every 6 weeks. Could this more likely be my problem?
Finally, I’ve been running the same high-volume routine for over a year. This is a long time, but I’ve made stellar gains on this program and I don’t want to sacrifice them by jumping on another routine with less volume and different lifts. What do you think?
Hi James, here’s my guide to breaking training plateaus.
Hi Andy. I am a new too your platform and have been reading a lot of the articals on your web page. I have a question regards to the linear periodization method and how best to apply it. In the bench press example given it said to move from 3×8 to 3×7 in week 2. Is that assuming that BP is being done once a week? If being done twice a week would it be the second workout that moves to 3×7 or still the second week?
Thanks
Daniel
Hi Daniel, thanks for the question.
Yes, this assumes once per week. When benching more than once, you’ll see in the example programs that the rep ranges are different, so you’ll progress each day independently of the other, on a weekly basis.
I just want to point out how amazing it is how diligently you reply to the questions here. You’re being a huge help to a bunch of people, hope you don’t do too much free work or burn yourself out, but I feel you’ve got this thing figured. I’m currently doing my best to find the answers you’ve already written out in detail. Keep it up!
Hi Joel, thank you.
Frankly, I see comments — whether questions, praise, or hate — are the greatest gift a reader can give me.
The comments…
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3. Keep me on the pulse of the latest bullshit that’s been peddled in the industry.
4. Help me to demonstrate how I think through problems for people, which shows people that there really aren’t many one-size-fits-all answers.
5. Build trust with readers, which I think must affect someone’s decision on whether they buy a book or apply for coaching.
6. May also help the site with the rank in Google because it sees an active site. (This is speculative.)
Hey Andy,
Is it possible I use another form of progression instead of wave loading? I find it too confusing and slow, and feel that it wont take advantage of my good days and might overshoot my bad days (bc ill be too concerned with RPE and trying to get the perfect rep range)
Is it possible for me to progress week to week with this workout but with novice progression rules?
Or is wave loading the best option?
Thanks
Is it possible I use another form of progression instead of wave loading?
Yes. Keep the weight the same, aim to gradually increase the number of reps you can do in each set, until you’re strong enough to make a jump in the weight lifted.
Is it possible for me to progress week to week with this workout but with novice progression rules?
You’ll have to try and see.
Hi Andy I’m on my 3rd week and should deload next week. I train thuesday wendsday and Friday Saturday. I have become sick and have therefore not trained since wendsday. If I take days of from the gym until next Tuesday could that be seen as my deload week and I can start a new cycle on Tuesday?
Hi Michael. Well, it’s definitely a deload but the question is over whether your body has sufficiently recovered. Possibly not. You’ll have to train and see. If you need to start lighter, do so. It’s just one week which is a drop in the bucket of your training career.
Thx. Im curently bulking should i reduce calorie intake while sick and during deload week?
I don’t think it’s necessary.
Hello! I have a question about deloads. I’m registering every exercise individually; so right now I have some movements that are on intermediate progression while others are still following a novice progression. My question is should I schedule deloads just for the intermediate exercises? Or should I deload every exercise regardless of the level of progression? Thanks in advance!
Hi Daniel!
Taking a deload every 4-8 weeks across all exercises usually works out well. I often get clients to drop loads by 10% and reduce working sets by 1/3, but you can use the more formal rules above also.
Hi Andy,
Another question on RPE and progression rules in general.
Let’s say I perform bench press with 8RPE on my first set.
If I use the progress rules each session as described here I increase the load slightly from session to session (novice rules) but this leads to the fact that my RPE for first set is increasing from session to session, 8,5 ; 9; 9,5.
Where is my mistake ? What should I do ? Should I keep the load with 8RPE to manage the fatigue and stay with this load for weeks ?
Hi Marco. Your body hasn’t adapted yet. Try running the progression at the same load. Then if you don’t have any luck, see my How to Break Training Plateaus article.
Hi Andy for the deadlift I should do 4×3-5 reps. I did 4×5 with 145kg and felt first set was rpe 8 maybe 8.5. Next session I would do 4×4 reps but I could only do 3×4 and 1×2 and they where all rpe8.5 or 9. The last one with 2 reps was a 10.
Next training should I do 4×4 with 145kg og proceed to 4×3 with 147,5kg ?
Hi Michael. Restart the progression lowering the weights a little.
Thanks. So instead of doing 3 reps this week and deload next week, I dial back to beginning of a new 4 week cycle with less weight and deload the 4th week
Yes, I think that’s the right move.
Another question on Linear periodization for Compound movements 🙂
Currently I perform 3×5 at bench press with approx 86% of 1RM. If I want to start with intermediate rules should I reduce the load down to 70% of 1RM and acting like this:
1 session: 3×5 with 70%
2 session 3×4 with 75%
3 session 3×3 with 80%
4 session (deload) 2×3 with – 10% load?
Is my understanding correct?
And why should I reduce from 86% to 70%?
Best regards
Marco
No, the percentages are just a guide for initial weight selection for those not familiar with RPE. If you know what you can lift for the target sets, reps and RPE, use those loads.
Hi Andy,
Maybe a very stupid question…
Within your novice bodybuilding program there is no rep range just fixed values. Therefore I have a question on “Linear periodization for isolated movements”
For biceps and triceps I use 3×12 and novice progression rules.
If I want to use intermediate progression rules should I initially decrease the load until I am able to do 3×15 and then decreasing to 2×12 on 4th week as described?
Best regards
Marco
If you’ll be using the intermediate rules with the novice program, just create a range by adding a rep either side. So, if we have 3*8, make that 3*7-9.
Hi Andy, i recently bought the book and i really enjoy so far. But i have one simple question, Lets say i’m following the intermediate sample program above but i’m doing more than 3 sets of Bench Press 3×6-8 , how do i prevent missing reps each week since i’m doing more sets which will accumulate for fatigue?
Is there a maximum amount of sets per exercise?
Hi Johnson, thank you for getting the books.
1. The same principles apply with 4 sets (or greater). You’re doing more sets but presumably, you’re adapted to that level of work so you’ll be fine.
2. No, but the more sets you have the more performance will degrade. Refer to the VIF chapter for more on this. It’d a detailed one. 🙂
Hi Andy for the bench press 3-5 x4 should my deload be 2 sets of 3 with the weight I used for 5 reps rep 8?
Hi Michael,
Have a look at the table after the title: Intermediate Progression Rules For Compound Movements – “Linear Periodization.”
You’ll see that the deload uses the last weight lifted for the top of your rep range, for one set less using the bottom of your rep range. So in your case, you’ll perform 3 sets of 3 for the load you lifted for 5 reps three weeks ago.
When the program says 4 sets should I not reduce by 2? In my case bench 3-5 reps x 4 sets
“For exercises with 4+ sets, reduce the set number by two”
Ahh yes, I forgot I had that in there. Correct. Thank you.
Hi Andy
im using all 3 progression types with the intermediate bodybuilding program. With the single progression type should I deload every 4th week as with intermediate progression types even though I keep progressing or wait until I fail to achieve my target reps in two consecutive workouts?
Try not doing so, when that doesn’t work, change.
Sorry but not doing what ? Use all 3 types or not deload very 4th week along with the intermediate progression plans
The latter.
Hi Andy hope you don’t mind me messaging you. I just wondered what your thoughts on Myo reps for biceps and triceps are if any at all? Also ive found in my training that If for instance I’m doing 3 sets of 10 for DB bench going heavier than my 10 rep max but using more of a rest pause say 10 to 15 seconds till I reach 10 reps and repeating this process 3 times seems to work better is this ok to do for hypertrophy?
Hi Sean,
I don’t believe the balance of the evidence supports the idea that this is more effective. It’s more time-efficient but can make objective tracking (and manipulation of variables to ensure progress) more difficult. So, unless on a time crunch, it’s not something I recommend and not something I use with clients.
That said, in regard to the bicep and tricep work at the end of a workout which you’re specifically asking about, the “objective tracking” part is less important.
Ascending sets are a popular method of accumulating volume and are used in several well-know programs such as 5-3-1 and Bill Starrs SSS. Which of the sets would be considered to be “work sets” and could count towards the 10-20 sets per week?
Hi David,
The important (but tricky) distinction here you’re getting at is where to draw the line between your warm-up sets and your working sets, right? Well, I’m not really familiar with either program, so I’m sure they have their own rules, but the way I teach things on the site I like to consider only relatively “hard” sets as working sets, so that’s anything that goes to an RPE of 7 or above.
Hi Andy. Are you saying then, that in the intermediate powerlifting sample program that on day 2, the lifts performed at a starting RPE of 5 don’t count towards total volume for the week? Thank you for clarifying.
No, they count.
I’m just trying to give you a rough heuristic for how to separate warm-up set from working sets when using a program that has the sets pyramiding up. I’m sure the people who wrote those programs will have guidelines for it.
The broader issue is you’re trying to combine the progression rules I have on this site (and in our book), with programs we didn’t write.
Hi!
What should i do if i stall on the intermediate compound progression i.e. wave loading after the weight increase? Say that i can’t get all the prescribed reps, do i deload that movement even though it’s only session 1?
Best Regards, Erik J
Hi Erik, assume it’s just a bad workout in that case and continue with the progression next week.
Also, consider checking out these two articles:
1) How to Break Training Plateaus
2) What is Realistic Progress While Cutting?
Hi Andy,
the book says that in case you struggle to add reps you can also increase the ranges of your compound movements and along with this increase your cycle lenght i.e. starting from 8-6 -> 3 week cycle, to 9-5 -> 5 week cycle. This would also demand more frequent mandatory deloads.
How would you suggest adjusting weights in this scenario? For example let’s say deadlifts with a recommended increase of 5 kg for each rep you drop. Would you recommend dropping 5 kg in the extended range as well, meaning going from 3x9x100 kg to 3x5x80 kg?
Thank you in advance!
Hi Max, thanks for the question.
The first thing to do is decrease the incremental load. So, instead of 5 kg increments, do 2.5. That aside, yes.
If i do chest 2x week, different movements each day, can each one be progressed weekly?
Yes, absolutely.
Hey Andy/Eric,
Quick question on RPE – I’ve been using the wave loading progression. For my first mesocycle, I was able to hit an RPE of 8 on the first set of every exercise as prescribed on the Intermediate program. After a deload in Week 4, I upped the weights on all my compounds and aimed for more reps on my isolation movements.
However, my first set RPE is now more around 9 than 8, so by the end of the second set of my exercises I’m already close to failure. So what do I do? I know progressive overload via lifting heavier weights over time is key. Do I push past the prescribed RPE just for the sake of progressive overload? Or do I stick strictly to the 8 RPE and just lift the same weights as I did the last mesocycle? I guess I could always add sets to increase volume if I can’t increase the weight but I don’t want to overreach/overtrain. Kinda stuck right now. Thanks in advance.
Hi Alex, thanks for the question.
Strength fluctuates, so if this was for one session or a couple of sessions, that’d be normal.
Progress doesn’t always occur s planned, so even in the case that this is happening for the full week, then stick at the same loads as the last mesocycle as it’s likely you just needed longer to adapt.
If this doesn’t work, here’s a troubleshooting guide: How to Break Training Plateaus.