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Matt
Matt
November 20, 2014 20:27

Hi Andy,
I posted this on your Facebook page back in September, but looks like it might be useful to share on here too:

“Dr Casey Butt Phd, author of “Your Muscular Potential”, has analyzed anthropometric measurements of more than 300 drug-free champion bodybuilders and strength athletes from 1947 to 2007. After 6 years of research he has come up with a set of equations to measure your genetic potential based on your height. For a guy with 7” wrists and 9” ankles who wants to achieve a muscular body with 10% body fat, this is the maximum body-weight you can achieve naturally according to his data…

· 5’8” => max 190lbs (173cm => 86.2kg)
· 5’10” => max 199lbs (178cm => 90.3kg)
· 6’0” => max 207lbs (183cm => 93.9kg)
· 6’2” => max 216lbs (188cm => 98.0kg)

This is NOT your lean body mass, this is your total body-weight when you step on the scale for your given height and at 10% body-fat.”

According to this I should be able to gain around another 20kg of muscle! However, his calculations were based on champion bodybuilders and athletes, who we can guess were all probably genetically gifted individuals. I think Martin’s calculations are more realistic, albeit disappointingly:-( Still, I won’t grumble at an 8kg muscle increase if it ever happens!

Matt.

Matt
Matt
November 22, 2014 07:11
Reply to  Matt

Here’s the full article related to the above comment
https://www.weightrainer.net/potential.html

Mark
Mark
April 22, 2014 13:43

Dear Andy, gracious and fair Prince of LeanGains,

I hate to disagree with you, Martin, and Lyle, but I’m just finishing up my dream bulk, and at 175cm I’ve reached a healthy 90kg. I estimate that I’m carrying maybe 3kg of fat maximum, so I’m looking to cut down to a ripped all natural 88kg. My question for you is:

What will happen to Martin’s formula now you have my compelling new evidence?
What are my macros?

Only joking. But seriously, I know how you feel about this so you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. After my dream bulk would you say that it’s safe to assume that my LM is approaching my genetic max, ie. about 75kg at 6% body fat? I’d rather guess my LM using that than looking at pictures of my lard-ass and thinking up bodyfat percentages, but I don’t wanna make the schoolboy error of thinking I’m more developed than I am.

Now I’m off to buy a new suit.

Ever lovingly,

The Duke

Mark
Mark
May 3, 2014 11:08
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Dear Andy, great and benevolent Prince,

Thanks for your detailed reply. I am humbled by your praise. And also blushing just a little bit.

As you know, I am now embarking merrily on my cut. Which after your sage advice would appear to mean that I have a good 15kg to lose. Yikes! This one’s for you. If I do a good job I hope I get a chance at the results wall. Detailed data coming your way in a few months time with regard to that one.

I’m already looking forward to going for that fabled 73kg LBM on my next dream bulk. Or maybe I’ll just make it a slow bulk and save all the cutting afterwards. It all depends if I can stay off the buffet steak and chocolate fondued icecream.

Looking forward to your next kick-ass article, whether it flabby and funny, or shredded-lean and technical.

Appreciatively yours,

The Duke

Neil C
Neil C
January 7, 2014 20:36

Off topic, but interesting 3 part article on BBC website on IF

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25498742

Albers
Albers
January 7, 2014 14:47

BTW, I did not state “that why Martin’s failed” – I stated/implied that he failed to release his “book”, which he often talked about on Leangains.

He even “sincerely apologised” to his many readers for not releasing the “book” in one of his last posts “Consequence & Clarity” on 8th January, 2013.

I’m a follower of Martin Berkhans’ Leangains concepts, but I’ve found that RippedBody presents the information in a more digestible context.

Cheers

Paul Fisher
Paul Fisher
January 7, 2014 04:13

Thumbs up

Max
Max
January 4, 2014 21:55

Great article Andy!

tehlolcat
tehlolcat
January 3, 2014 01:46

Great article Andy, and I’ll agree that you should take credit for organizing the information on Leangains in such a pedagogical manner. I’ll especially like these more ambitious series of articles.

Anyway, any pics on your own progress coming up soon? Would be fun to see and read, haven’t seen any in a while. 🙂

IndianapolisVet
IndianapolisVet
January 1, 2014 08:08

This logic and patience stuff is hurting my brain. 😉

Good article, and a timely reminder of what a trainee can, and cannot achieve.

One question: you only ever describe cutting or slow bulking. In your opinion (research supported?), is there ever any point to bulking, and then cutting? In other words, is it any faster to gain muscle while you’re gaining fat, or do you gain the same amount of muscle with training plus protein intake, whether or not you’re losing or gaining fat? Does that question even make sense?

eg: Your 155lb/20%BF snowboarder friend. You’re saying he’s 124lbs lean mass now, and at the end of 12 months, his maximum lean mass after 2lbs/mo of muscle gain, will be ~148lbs, ideally with 10% BF bringing his ideal body weight to 163lbs by the end of 12/31/2014. (assuming my math is correct lol)

Are you saying, at the end of that 12 months, he’ll get to exactly the same 163lbs/10%BF, whether or not he chooses to either bulk up to 190/22%BF first, and then cut to 163/10%BF, or cut to 136lbs/10%BF first and then slow-bulk up to 163/10%?

His 2lbs max muscle/mo gain is the same, and his predicted strength gains will be identical, regardless of whether he cuts first then slow bulks, or bulks first then cuts?

IndianapolisVet
IndianapolisVet
January 3, 2014 00:31
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Lyle doesn’t specifically address my question, in that article, as I’m talking absolute muscle gain, not relative gain. I totally get that fat guys lose fat faster than skinny guys.

Nowhere in there, however, does it say a fat guy who diets to lean, then starts his slow bulk, will gain more absolute muscle mass, in the same amount of time, than that same fat guy would gain if he’d bulked first and then cut. Or did I miss that paragraph?

tuna
tuna
December 31, 2013 12:38

Can’t wait to forward this article to a few of my friends. They are in the middle of their “winter bulk”. =)

Haris
Haris
December 30, 2013 18:27

Nice post… Keep it up 😉

gmo
gmo
December 30, 2013 13:51

Another article that will work for few “fanboys”. The recipe is easy: look at someone of the size/weight you want to become. Check out his lifts, are you there? Most likely no, so do whatever it takes to get there and then do worry about these being fat nuances.

Brad Collins
Brad Collins
December 30, 2013 09:01

Do you mean to tell me the four pounds I increased from last week wasn’t muscle and was in fact only water weight from Christmas indulgences? Damn you!

Genya
Genya
December 30, 2013 03:02

This is pleasantly reassuring.

For my first slow bulk I gained about 5 lbs over the course of six months. Being somewhere between intermediate and advanced, it seems my gains were right on target.

Alex
Alex
December 30, 2013 00:32

Wow, impressive start of the article. The rant-type introduction is great. This one goes right next to the infamous Fuckarounditis article we all know so well…..

Thanks Andy 😀

Albers
Albers
January 2, 2014 17:56
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Don’t sell yourself short Andy – your website encapsulates the whole Leangains concept in a more structured manner than the original website – I believe Mr. Berkhan’s failure revolves around him not coming up with his “book”, one that consolidates everything on his website to become a reference manual for all those interested in this style of diet/exercise management.

Cheers

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