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Andy
Andy
May 21, 2020 12:18

I was writing a comment before I went to Dr. Davis’ article that you linked. I agree with you, the article is fantastic! The synopsis basically said everything I was going to say. The major point is that it hasn’t yet been definitely researched whether “reduced” red meat vs. completely vegan makes a significant difference. Almost all the studies have involved people eating low amounts of meat so they haven’t been able to tease out whether there is any additional benefit to eating no red meat. The documentary should have focused on showing how plant based diets can still achieve high performance instead of trying to frame it controversially to get more views. Thanks for the link!

Caroline Seabrook
Caroline Seabrook
December 21, 2019 14:03

Thank you!
So many people at work have been talking about this documentary and have started a ‘plant based’ diet since watching it.

I immediately questioned the reliable “science” behind it and highlighted that a Netflix film should never be considered to be scientifically accurate.

However, I have never seen this documentary and was arguing with people with no actual knowledge of what has been said in it. This article has really helped my understanding of it. It’s also pointed out the one thing I couldn’t figure out..what benefit Netflix got from releasing it! Of course it wants people to subscribe to watch it!
Again, thank you.
(Not really a question, sorry!)

Tyler
Tyler
December 9, 2019 17:35

Andy, what’s your take on the recent “James Wilks and Chris Kessler” Debate on Joe Rogan’s podcast?

Silje
Silje
February 6, 2020 06:41
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Oh wow. Not even worth your time listening to the person whose movie you’re debunking? Not even Chris Kesser was that arrogant.

Sharon
Sharon
November 22, 2019 05:39

Great Article. The doc almost sucked me in, but everyone’s body is different. You HAVE to find what works for YOU. Period. Allllsoooo, Can we mention Rich Froning…”Fittest Man on Earth” four times. Protein shakes made w WHOLE MILK multiple times a day. If I did that, I would never poop again..LOL! Everyone is different. Love your breakdown:

There’s scope for flexibility with your dietary choices. This is a great thing!
Be active — this does a lot of things that a diet simply can’t.
Maintain your body composition in a relatively healthy state of leanness.
Eat plenty of vegetables and fiber, preferably from a variety of sources.
Don’t eat a bunch of charred, burned, fatty, processed meats.

Anna
Anna
November 21, 2019 08:15

Thanks – this was a really interesting read. At first when watching the documentary I thought perhaps veganism was the best way forward, but I started to question it myself (especially when I saw the leg press – WTF!!!). I wonder how many calories I’d need to consume to meet my nutritional requirements and also would the high carb diet cause me to put on weight because, while I’m a regular gym go-er I’m not an athlete training for hours every day.

Rob
Rob
November 10, 2019 03:39

While some of the ‘science’ in the film is quite laughable, I think just highlighting the fact that a number of athletes at the absolute peak of their sport thrive without issue on a Vegan diet is important. The film feels like a miscalculated knee jerk reaction to the many people in the media, the fitness industry and generally every day that say ‘but where do you get your protein’ and claim you cant perform well when plant based.

For reference I’ve been a vegan for four and half years for ethical and environmental reasons. While I wouldn’t claim my performance has improved being on a vegan diet, I dont feel hampered by it and most certainly feel more at ease not eating animals.

Rob
Rob
November 11, 2019 00:21
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Thanks for the reply Andy. I only recently came across the website and have to say I’ve found it very useful. Thanks for all the high quality free content.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson
November 3, 2019 17:37

Hey Andy. How have you figured that Netflix is shitting on your industry by funding this film?
I’m a 50yr old man who has avoided statins by changing to a plant based diet 2 years ago. Also a man who has become a gym junkie about 5 years ago.
I read the China Study 2years ago and am convinced that avoiding meat is best for me.
I liked the film. James Wilks is an amazing individual.

Daniel
Daniel
November 3, 2019 06:36

I suggest watching the movie Dominion free on youtube. there are more important things than calories or macros

José Vicente
José Vicente
January 25, 2020 06:11
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Glad you followed that up, Andy. After having watched Dominion I cut meat off my diet. I respect you a lot and I’m happy that you went ahead and at least realized it’s not a bullshit diet documentary. And i understand you not commenting on it.

Even so, since I look up to you, it would be nice to hear your thoughts on this documentary and the subject it deals with!

José Vicente
José Vicente
January 25, 2020 10:11
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Fair enough! It amazes me that you replied this fast, though.

I’m a big fan of yours. Keep up the great work! 🙂

Berke
Berke
November 3, 2019 06:03

Hi Andy, first thing first I am on the same page with you for the most of the topics above you mentioned. I’d like to look from a totally different pov and have your opinion on that.
So i cant stop thinking since the meat industry is so huge (almost untouchable) who does back up this doc? Not from body pers view but from healthy life and better blood values pov, do you think veggie or vegan life is better ? (Again, most of the so called proofs in the doc is non-sense, i want to learn your thoughts based on your experience/researches)

Following you with all respect! (Even read your book via amazon)

Best
Berke

Berke
Berke
November 4, 2019 02:03
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Hi Andy, I meant not from body building / increase muscle density & volume perspective but from visceral organ and general health perspective

John Kimsul
John Kimsul
November 3, 2019 03:43

Great article. It was thoughtful and well written. Keep up the great work.

Scott
Scott
November 3, 2019 00:23

As a supplementing, whole-food, plant-based vegan (phew!), I appreciate this article of yours. You acknowledge vegetarians and vegans will read this article, and you compassionately alert them to the need for conservative supplementation, just as should be done in omnivore articles (Vitamin D, sometimes B12).

Btw, I’ve read elsewhere (from Dr. Joel Fuhrman and Dr. Michael Greger) that Vitamin K2 is also recommended.

Scott
Scott
November 3, 2019 23:00
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Thanks for the links, Andy. I’ll read them both. I always enjoy Stronger By Science content.

Below are two additional vegan guideline resources you might want to bookmark in case you come across more vegans (we’re growing, after all). There’s no presumption of size, strength, or sports performance gains, just longevity and healthspan, but it’s always good to read broadly.

Speaking of reading broadly, I found your article (and thus your site) through Tony Gentilcore. I love his content, too.

https://veganhealth.org/daily-needs/

https://www.theveganrd.com/vegan-nutrition-101/vegan-nutrition-primers/recommended-supplements-a-vegan-nutrition-primer/

Kevin
Kevin
November 2, 2019 18:04

Are you using “plant based” and “vegan” interchangeably here when referring to diet? I think an important distinction should be made, where plant based just means the majority of what you eat are from plants (like 80% calories from plants and 20% calories from animal products for example), and not the entirety of what you eat. I know some people would disagree with that definition, so I think you should clarify what you meant. You say: “it is not necessary for everyone to eat a plant-based diet for optimal health.” do you mean 100% vegan by that or something like 80% plants and 20% animal products? If you mean vegan, I’d substitute that in for plant-based to be more accurate.

Maria Resende
Maria Resende
November 2, 2019 16:56

Hi Andy,

Could you please provide the articles (scholarly/peer reviewed) from where you gathered all this information? Thank you.

Maria

Maria Resende
Maria Resende
November 4, 2019 02:09
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Thank you, Andy. I appreciate the link and the article. I found it interesting and compelling so I decided to dig further and read the articles cited. I found that ALL citations were sponsored by the meat, egg, dairy industries, or Nutrition 21. Also, the Annals of Internal Medicine’s recommendation is based on an assumption the majority of individuals are not willing to modify their eating habits or feel a burden to do so.

• Händel et al. (2019): This work was funded by MatPrat – Norwegian Centre for Consumer Information: Egg and Meat.
• Daly et al. (2014): Supported by a competitive, peer-reviewed grant from Meat and Livestock Australia Ltd.
• Campbell et al. (1999): Monetary gift from Nutrition 21.
• Haub et al. (2002): Supported by the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.
• Hartman et al. (2007): Supported by a grant from the US National Dairy Council.
• [2]: funded by the Dairy Farmers of Canada.
• [4]: Supported by the US National Dairy Council.
• [5]: This work was funded by a research award from the US Dairy Research Institute.

Again, thank you. I think it’s important to have these kind of discussions so I appreciate you opening this forum.

Donal O Riordan
Donal O Riordan
November 2, 2019 08:43

Great article Andy, glad you tackled this topic.

So much poor quality information being consumed by people on mass.

Orinn
Orinn
November 2, 2019 08:42

But Arnie was in the documentary, must be credible 😂😂

Chris F.
Chris F.
November 2, 2019 08:41

Hi Andy,

My wife and I watched the documentary last night and we had been debating all morning long about it. I will be forwarding this to her as my finishing move! I agree this documentary was shit on many levels. Especially the part where they said plants have all the essential amino acids we need. Oh yeah? How much of them? What percentage of the food is “all” the essential amino acids? The amount they have is not significant. Should I eat 5 pounds of kale to get all these amino acids? Or maybe 2 eggs, a little chicken breast and a giant salad with a little oil and vinegar? I’ll go with the ladder every time.

Anyways, great info like always. Thanks, Andy.

Russ Edwards
Russ Edwards
November 2, 2019 08:40

Hey Andy

FUCK YOU!!!

You are the ignorant one, that is if you think “science” is important

And yes, you can quote me.

ilo
ilo
December 5, 2019 16:35
Reply to  Andy Morgan

Some people are just a waste of time because their mind is already closed. That is you, Andy. A waste of time.

Chris
Chris
November 2, 2019 08:40

Hey Andy, thanks for this post.

Let me give you a small personal anecdote from my past:

I have been on a vegetarian and then vegan diet in my teenage years, and really regret this in hindsight. It stunted my growth, I had severe deficiencies in various macro and micronutrients, and got pretty sick. Changing to a balanced diet with meat, fish, vegs fruit and starches changed my health almost over night.

This “documentation” really is nothing but propaganda. Seeing that Arnold is backing it made me sad tbh.

Have a great Weekend my friend!

Yours,
Chris

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